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Obgyno Wino Podcast Episode 62 - Trauma-Informed Birthkeeping

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In Episode 62, Tracey Vogel, MD, an OB anesthesiologist, is on the show to talk about her very unique path into trauma-informed birth keeping. Tracey is a practicing anesthesiologist at West Penn Hospital in Pittsburgh who has taken a unique interest in tendering women through their hospital-based birth process. When she's not training medical students and residents in OB anesthesiology, she lecturing at ACOG, writing books, and devoting a portion of her time Pro bono to counseling women who have suffered through past personal trauma, whether they be birth-related or otherwise, in the context of pregnancy and birth planning.


Keys from our conversation:

  • Some anesthesiologists do extra training so that they can focus entirely on maternity care

  • How a physician's eyes might be opened to the value of trauma-informed maternity care

  • "Trauma" often conjures up ideas of rape and violence, including obstetric violence. But birth itself can be traumatic, with or without a "healthy mom, healthy baby" outcome.

  • The importance of giving a woman the opportunity to talk about her past experiences or births and truly listening (this is therapy in and of itself!)

References from the show:


Additional resources on the nuances of trauma-informed care:




Tracey can be contacted through her website



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